Comments on: FOWD: Ryan Singer on the Future of App Interface Design http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html swissmiss is a design blog and studio run by Tina Roth Eisenberg, a 'swiss designer gone NYC'. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:02:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: stefaan http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2396 stefaan Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:36:25 +0000 http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2396 <p>royally late, but anyway. designers do not need to explain themselves, the work should explain itself. there has to be an understanding - trust - openness between the client and the designer as well. if a design is not understood, the problems are mainly there to be found.</p> royally late, but anyway. designers do not need to explain themselves, the work should explain itself. there has to be an understanding – trust – openness between the client and the designer as well. if a design is not understood, the problems are mainly there to be found.

]]> By: dana http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2395 dana Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:26:15 +0000 http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2395 <p>I have SUCH a problem with number one. I would LOVE to work with a programmer. I have applied for so many positions in the last year that want a designer who can design for print, packaging, and ALSO be an expert at CSS, Flash, Java, and whatever else they have heard of.</p> <p>Employers don't know and don't want to hear that they need TWO people to do a website and all their other marketing stuff. They don't understand why a designer isn't also an expert at writing code. </p> <p>I am decent in CSS and I know basic action script. I understand many things that Flash and other programming languages are good for, but I myself can't write the code for them. This is keeping me from getting jobs, because businesses want someone who can do everything from start to finish. This obviously doesn't apply to agencies or larger companies, but I have come across it time and time again, and it's frustrating as hell.</p> <p>I have a friend who is a very good programmer and I often have him look over my work and make suggestions because he knows things about usability that I don't. I really wish companies could understand that they are getting what they pay for when they don't use designers and programmers together.</p> I have SUCH a problem with number one. I would LOVE to work with a programmer. I have applied for so many positions in the last year that want a designer who can design for print, packaging, and ALSO be an expert at CSS, Flash, Java, and whatever else they have heard of.

Employers don’t know and don’t want to hear that they need TWO people to do a website and all their other marketing stuff. They don’t understand why a designer isn’t also an expert at writing code.

I am decent in CSS and I know basic action script. I understand many things that Flash and other programming languages are good for, but I myself can’t write the code for them. This is keeping me from getting jobs, because businesses want someone who can do everything from start to finish. This obviously doesn’t apply to agencies or larger companies, but I have come across it time and time again, and it’s frustrating as hell.

I have a friend who is a very good programmer and I often have him look over my work and make suggestions because he knows things about usability that I don’t. I really wish companies could understand that they are getting what they pay for when they don’t use designers and programmers together.

]]> By: Lisa http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2394 Lisa Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:04:08 +0000 http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2394 <p>I agree that designers should have some basic knowledge about what programmers do but in my humble opinion, designers who program too much are not that great of designers and programmers who think they can design aren't that great either. Unless you're pretty even in the left/right brain departments, I think it still takes two brains to come up with a visually beautiful AND well-working product. And I agree with the first comment: their website is horrendous which adds fuel to my argument.</p> I agree that designers should have some basic knowledge about what programmers do but in my humble opinion, designers who program too much are not that great of designers and programmers who think they can design aren’t that great either. Unless you’re pretty even in the left/right brain departments, I think it still takes two brains to come up with a visually beautiful AND well-working product. And I agree with the first comment: their website is horrendous which adds fuel to my argument.

]]> By: Diane http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2393 Diane Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:23:16 +0000 http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2393 <p>I try to work as much as I can with developers, but lately have turned to coding myself. It gets done the way I originally intended, a much better result in the end.</p> I try to work as much as I can with developers, but lately have turned to coding myself. It gets done the way I originally intended, a much better result in the end.

]]> By: Mark Wu http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2392 Mark Wu Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:32:06 +0000 http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2392 <p>I can't believe that designers don't work with programmers more, especially if digital is their medium. I mean, how can a designer understand what they're designing for when they don't fully understand what a programmer has to use their designs for?</p> <p>And designers don't explain their decisions? How do they get away with that?! This is working to a brief, not art!</p> <p>I think having my own design business has shielded my (naive) eyes from seeing this in other designers, but these two things shouldn't happen (shakes head) if digital design is your thing.</p> I can’t believe that designers don’t work with programmers more, especially if digital is their medium. I mean, how can a designer understand what they’re designing for when they don’t fully understand what a programmer has to use their designs for?

And designers don’t explain their decisions? How do they get away with that?! This is working to a brief, not art!

I think having my own design business has shielded my (naive) eyes from seeing this in other designers, but these two things shouldn’t happen (shakes head) if digital design is your thing.

]]> By: Web 2.0 Galore http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2391 Web 2.0 Galore Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:16:51 +0000 http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/11/fowd.html#comment-2391 <p>How to put a shiny gloss over everything, make it reflect and fade out, add rounded corners, link to your self-righteous twitter/digg/whatever, and place RSS icons all over your page kind of sums up this conference.</p> <p>Might I also add -- their website is such an eyesore. And what's with that 1999ish logo?</p> <p>Yes, I'm a hater</p> How to put a shiny gloss over everything, make it reflect and fade out, add rounded corners, link to your self-righteous twitter/digg/whatever, and place RSS icons all over your page kind of sums up this conference.

Might I also add — their website is such an eyesore. And what’s with that 1999ish logo?

Yes, I’m a hater

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